Friday, March 29, 2019

Will Georgia Gould, Mike Brown And Sadiq Khan Be Charged With Discrimination?


A recent article in a nation paper announced 'A disabled woman hopes a landmark legal victory against a London taxi driver who started the meter before her wheelchair was loaded will empower other disabled passengers'.

Emma Vogelmann, 25, and her PA Laura Creek challenged the cabby when he set the clock running before lowering the ramp on his cab outside King’s Cross station.

The driver has been found guilty under the Equality act.

Wheelchair passengers wishing to be dropped outside the front door of selected  shops on Tottenham Court Road at certain times during the day, will soon be told by the taxi driver they don't have access to the street in day time hours and they can only be dropped in streets running adjacent to Totenham Court Road.

This new system is at the bequest of Camden Council, TfL and the Mayor of London.

Our question to Emma Vogelmann and her PA Laura Creek....."will you both be empowered enough to take a law suits out against Camden Council's leader Georgia Gould, TFL's Mike Brown and Sadiq Khan under the Equality act with the same gusto as they used to prosecute the cabby.....or does the Equality act only apply to Taxi drivers " ???

If Emma Vogelmann and her PA Laura Creek can be empowered to take this line, then perhaps disabled groups across the capital will take up the gauntlet.

Perhaps this is also an avenue that can be explored by our own representative groups on behalf of their subscribers ???

Why should it be that a cabby can't discriminate against a disabled person, but Camden Council and TfL can ???

Perhaps we need a test case 

This could be argued in all manners of being hired but not immediately "loaded" as your time is required.

I remember Mr Miller tellng me and other new drivers on our pep talk, that we were hired on the moment of "hiring" and this meant putting your meter on, the fact that this driver was fully attentive and exclusive to the hirer and only the hirer, flies in the face of that statement as it could suggest that if someone else approached the driver with a more lucrative fare he could rightly decide to accept this proposition as his hire light would still be because of this ruling because he was without argument not fully engaged contractually to the first hirer.

The disabillity acts are there to ensure fairness to the disabled but if it becomes a tool of elevating rights above others it will surely be abused in a way this judicial decision hoped to prevent, and that is not what we as professional hope will happen.

be lucky



Anonymous said...

as to the case in question

surely, the cab was hired, from the time of, arrival, pick-up
(not saying that I would), but why shouldn't the Cabbie be paid from the time of arrival?

wasn't, the Cabbie working whilst loading the wheelchair?

are we meant to be working for NOTHING

stupid question - the answer's YES, as a £70K vehicle renders the job,

I don't get it

Anonymous said...

Anon 12:02pm
Our villas in Spain. Afternoons on the golf course. Refusing to pick up the aggressive drunks and the comatose. Shiny new cabs. Pockets full of dosh. The stereotypical traits of the London cabbie. That’s why people don’t want to pay us. They think we are greedy at every turn. And our time isn’t worth anything, and we are not supposed to put a value on our time.
The job is so miserable now, the sooner it’s over the better.

Anonymous said...

The driver was perfectly within he's rights to start the meter.
Most drivers don't but it's in the by laws perfectly legal.
She should use uber.
Oh no they don't take wheelchairs.

Anonymous said...

True, People think the vehicle you drive is an indication of your wealth and a brand new electric taxi has a similar impression in a passengers head.

The fact that others are using domestic vehicles not designed to carry fare paying passengers for financial benefit has no proper scruitiny with the licensing authorities other than emission standards and far too often the close proximity of a passenger to the driver within a vehicle is brought to the public attention which is virtually never the case in a purpose built taxi but its all about saving money ....right?

Everyone does things different when the time comes to put the meter on and I'd like to think we all use our noddles, sometimes you can forget all together for a distance but its not the end of the world, but if a court case has decided taxis should not put the meter on before loading I think all drivers should be notified of this decision otherwise how would they know they had done something wrong?

Anonymous said...

Anon 4.30: I bet it's a real bag of laughs to go out on the p*** with you. I think I'd have to take a phial of cyanide out with me and probably use it by the end of the evening! (Also, putting the meter on before moving off with disabled people? Well come on, how many times do drivers have to get involved with a situation like this, during the working day? Maybe, once or twice a week or a max of 4 occasions. Therefore, why don't drivers screw their loaf and realise that it is far more beneficial to the trade, to swallow it until in motion. It is a good public relations exercise and think about how much s*** these people have had to suffer, every day due to their disability, without having extra foisted upon them. Also, imagine the bad rep this creates if this situation is relayed to all and sundry and bolsters the stereotypical view that many have of black cab drivers. In addition to this, on most occasions, these particular passengers note the meter wasn't started and give a drink at the end, which more than compensates for a front ended meter start. Always, be grateful and appreciate you are not in these passengers position & far better to create good pr. This is particularly true at station ranks, where it is seen and noted by other passengers in the queue. The legal position may well be that it is correct to start immediately but even if it is, think of the long game and influence and win more friends and prospective passengers!)

Anonymous said...

dear 12.45am just thought i,d say my piece about wheelchair bound passengers------don,t seem to recollect THEIR organanisations springing to our defense,also when uber put out a fake news story about how it can be difficult to get a taxi to take a wheelchair bound passnger [why?theres 23,000 wheelchair accessable taxis available in london]some mob purporting to represent disabled passengers stated "we welcome any competition"well wheel chair bound punter,how many wheelchair accessable "cabs" have uber introduced since their grand announcement? please let me know,would like to say when the licenensed black cab trade is extinct is uber going to worry about disabled passengers?be a bit difficult in the driverless cars they want to introduce.

Anonymous said...

Nonsense you put the meter on or off when at destination either way every disabled passenger gets 4 or 5 minutes of the cab driver's time free and God knows how that came about just another thing the public don t know

Anonymous said...

Anon 04.44: Please don’t let an organisation cloud your mind, in respect of individual disabled people. Also, your spelling & grammar is atrocious!

Anonymous said...

Dear 11.47
Who did you mean when referring to a comment by 4.40?
There wasn’t one!
If you meant the one at 4.33, that was me.
Don’t worry mate, you carry on in your £60,000 electric taxi providing service par excellence to the capitals disable.
In between being a knight of the road, perhaps you could spare a couple of hours to go back to school and learn a bit of simple arithmetic

If you’d read my post properly, it was about what the disabled can expect when we’re not around

Anonymous said...

Anon 03.30: I do not have and never will have, an electric taxi & why you assumed I had one is a mystery. Also, to make a mistake about the time of a post, is not related to arithmetic. It is more to do with not using reading glasses. However, I do have them on now & I have seen that the word disable in a sentence should read as disabled. Also, your remark about ‘carry on being a knight of the road’ & what it has to do with being polite, courteous & understanding, towards the disabled, is mystifying. I must go now as up early for school in the morning. Be lucky.

Anonymous said...

re 10,47 what i was trying to point out that you couldn,t seem to grasp is that when we,re gone who is going to worry about the disabled?running a buisness and providing a service is diametrically opposed,whos going to worry about the disabled?uber? the private hire seem to be exempt from the disability act,while us mugs have to drive custom built vehicles to provide a SERVICE to the disabled,we also had to take a wage cut so punters can use credit cards.don,t worry though "they,ll always need black cabs"

Anonymous said...

Dear 2.36 pm: who do you mean when referring to a comment by 10.47? There wasn’t one! If you meant the one at 10.17, that was me - so touché! However, I’m not going to suggest you spare a couple of hours and devote them to learn a bit of simple arithmetic - as you also probably had no glasses around. The point is that the disabled deserve a bit of respect, regardless of anything else. Be lucky & as for the pointing out of incorrect timed comments, well always remember karma is about & ready to pounce😂!