Thursday, March 23, 2017

Daily Mail, First To Put A Price On Geely's New TX5 ... By Jim Thomas.

First indication of the price of the new zero emissions TX5 has been published in the Daily Mail today. 

The Mail puts the on the road price at a whopping £60,000. Added together with the new car vehicle excise duty of £1,500 puts this vehicle out of the reach of most London Taxi drivers who have seen their takings decimated over the last couple of years.

There is of course a government subsidy of £7,500 but this is finite and available on a first come first served basis. 
Much of the subsidy will be soaked up by garages who will be amongst the first purchasers. 

Taxi Leaks has failed to find any research by Geely, the government or TfL into the health affects on drivers from the radiation given out from the EMF surrounding the massive bank of batteries. 

Biggest issues seem to be with the early degrading of batteries causing the expected range of vehicle to drop rapidly in just a few months of regular fast charging. 

Drivers in Beijing have had to get used to more down time while vehicle recharges. 
In Osaka Electric Taxis drove without lights at night and as with passengers in Beijing, complained they are handed blankets in cold weather, because drivers removed heater fuses, in attempts to save power. 

We've been led to believe that these expensive batteries packs will have to be changed regularly, and so they will be available on leasing contracts to owners, but we are not sure if the price will include disposal -this won't be cheap. 

Lets hear what Grant Davis and Steve McNamara had to say about electric vehicles a couple of years ago!


Now see what Steve McNamara is saying in yesterday's Evening Standard:

"By the end of 2023, diesel black cabs will be a thing of the past. (So much for drivers who have just bought the late model TX4s Euro 6 and the new Mercedes Euro 6, hoping for 15 years usage)

McNamara, gerald secretary of the LTDA went on to say : "There will be a customer-driven switch to electric models and the public will be choosing them over diesel. It will be like the switch from horse-driven to motor cabs which took around seven years in the early 1900s.”

Let's not forget that there is a massive advertising budget available to any Taxi media willing to give the new TX5 space.

See below earlier posts about the Osaka experiment into electric vehicles and more recently the issues faced by Taxi drivers using these vehicles in Beijing. 


In the wake of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, electric vehicles are no longe seen in Osaka as a clean and safe alternative to fossil fuel.

While reliable, comfortable and smooth, drivers are finding degredation of the battery packs to be a real issue.

Where a 60-mile range was once common in regular use, some are now finding that's been cut to as low as 30 miles, and to save energy as much as possible, some drivers are shunning the car's heater in favor of chemical pocket warmers, and even blankets for themselves and passengers.

Degredation of the battery pack has also had an effect on the battery's ability to take a quick charge. The 15-minute charge has now turned into a 40-minute one for many drivers. 
Also, they can't travel as far, or spend as much time on the road. Taxi drivers say they are losing out big time and it's ruining their business. 
Customers requesting longer trips are even being turned down.


After the abject failure of electric Taxis in Osaka Japan, Ford (Hong Kong) have unveiled a new Transit Connect Taxi, based on a current model, running on petrol/LPG, (CNG) reducing NOx emissions by 80%. 

This vehicle can easily be unadapted for Taxi work and retails in the UK at a very respectable £15,700 for the basic van.

With the Taxi trade on the brink of financial ruing, why aren't our representative orgs, lobbing on our behalf for a more viable option, such as the Ford Transit Taxi?

Better still, why has no attempt been made to keep the iconic shell, together with a petrol gas engine?


Anonymous said...

So at £60,000 that will be a 100% price increase based on a tx2 new price in 2005..12 years....When diesel was around 70p per litre, and Uber and smartphones were still a mere pipe dream.
How do they seriously think people can incur repayments a £60k motor to earn a minimum wage in the current climate?
Expect nothing but biased praise from the LTDA about how wonderful it will be, and all the usual cliches about iconic and best in the world baloney...While they play at cab drivers in their "free" test vehicle and massive ££££ newspaper ad campaign.
If you were wondering when the final nail in the coffin was it is.

Anonymous said...

I've run an Lpg cab for two years and it scares the bejeezers out of me that one day I'll have to return to the other options.
It's been a fantastic conversion returning me to 1999 fuel prices in comparison. With the huge environmental benefits of Lpg I wonder why it never took off and with BP removing Lpg from their forecourts I'm not sure where even Lpg is going. Never have trusted what the Ltda have spouted about these back handed projects but I know one thing!
I loved Bob odysseys recent YouTube clip where he left the scene of an accident after the passenger of the car he hit accused him of smelling of booze. Funny how that went quiet!

Rob said...

How do gimps like Macnamara and the drunken Oddy retain their positions at the LTDA . How can Macnamara reconcile this comment with those in the video. The sooner everybody shuns this white elephant from a frankly third rate manufacturer the better. Gas up, it's the only viable option when the time comes to change vehicles. There simply isn't the financial capacity in this trade to withstand a sizemic shock of this proportion. Drivers can only withstand so much.

Brian said...

Yes folks, even though you couldn't make it up, it's true.
A new comedy vehicle, complete with comedy price.
Our orgs are celebrating the triumph.
I'm off to phone The Samaritans.

Teextwo said...

I don't know who is advising Geely but I predict that the new factory will be shut within three years, neither myself or anyone I've spoken to has any intention of buying an electric taxi at that price. It's just not affordable. You can't buy a £60k vehicle on a £10 an hour job. Simple.

Anonymous said...

My Guess is that UBER will buy all the electric cabs and the taxi sign will be changed to UBER.

Anonymous said...

Reduce the fleet, all the jam in PH, garages own the vehicles we become just like the Uber slaves.

Paying The LTDA or LCDC subs is akin to buying shares in PH.

What happened to the Nissan eh?

Anonymous said...

I'm not convinced hybrid is the way to go. I can see this technology being redundant in a few years. A petrol/LPG TX5 would be a much better and cheaper option for now. I think Hydrogen might be the future.

Anonymous said...

Hydrogen might be the future when someone invents a tank that will hold it for any length of time, its molecules are the smallest so it permeates through the walls of anything its put in.

Its complicated to produce using loads of electricity, or even worse made from Oil at the refinery.

Methane fuel cells work like hydrogen and might be interesting, you could run that on the crap TFL produces for a start.

Phil Smith said...

Henry Ford produced a car in the 1930s to run on clean Hemp oil, even the body was made from biodegradable Hemp plastic which is 10 times stronger than steel.
Vested interests stopped us going green many years ago. We had an electric taxi in London over 100 years ago, why did we not invest in the technology back then?
The answers are simple to find if we have the will, but Government can't tax a natural product like hemp that's why it's overlooked and most have never heard of it.

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