Saturday, February 13, 2016

Chairman Of The United Cabbies Group (UCG) Len Martin, On The CC Mandate.

Legally TfL cannot make anyone take credit without a change in the law.


Ms Chapman said she will change the cab act, well good luck with that, getting a different law for Taxi drivers to every other trade. 

If one of our members (UCG) are reported for refusing to accept cards and TfL try to take ANY disciplinary action, then I have warned her our legal scheme will kick in and they will have a legal battle they cannot win. 

Then the whole thing is going to explode in her face. I warned her but it appears, she knows best.

Our view is: 
"Encourage" yes, 
"Incentivise" yes, 
"Mandate" No.

It was always understood by us, that the ONLY way to mandate it is by Conditions of Fitness, where we would need a fixed terminal. 
Next it would need to be linked to the meter. Choice is then reduced, and prices will rise.
 
And yet TfL continue to bleat on about the free market.

There are so many problems with this issue they haven't thought through....

If It's linked to the meter what happens if little Johnny jams a lolly stick in the machine in the back at 6pm Friday night ?
 
What if it just fails due to a technical fault?
 
Do you get a stop notice?

Liberty have already told us TfL will not win a case if it goes to court.

There are drivers who for whatever reason do not have a bank account (yes that is true). 
You can't be made to have a bank account. 
You may not be allowed a bank account due to some technicality with bancruptcy? 

The United Cabbies Group are NOT anti credit card, we need to encourage drivers to use them voluntairly wherever they can. 

Surely, we can work as a trade to develop a system of front and rear facing signage, once its displayed "NO BROOMING" or maybe another better solution?? 

We are seeing the beginings of how a well intentioned but poorly thought through idea is impacting upon us already.

Personally, I have a hand held Chip and Pin Machine, I have an in cab charger, I have a spare battery and carry a spare till roll. 
I also have an iZettle Pro Device -Which despite all rumours, can print receipts using a star micronics printer- or for the  iPhone, any apple airprint compatible printer

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

So why have the ltda & lcdc not told tfl this also will the radio circuits be aloud to charge 12.5% ?????

Anonymous said...

I have had experience of a certain fixed card terminal (ver??????)that regularly blew up my meter so I could no longer work until it was repaired it did not have the right wiring but there was a big row between the meter co and the card co as to who was in the wrong in the end I had to insist that it be taken out as it was costing me time and money I may have been unlucky as friends of mine have been ok but it will happen to some I'm sure
The whole meter and terminal fixed requirement is not nessarsary any more as I use izettle and it is fantastic and the customers love it and I can still work if something goes wrong I think Tfl are the Luddites when it comes to technology and the taxi trade and we are getting the blame on their behalf

Charlie Levy said...

what about the drivers on the radio circuits they accept credit cards the circuits charge the driver do we pay twice

Anonymous said...

Looks like the boys from the Lcdc, Ltda and Unite won't get the opportunity to go down silently on their square kneecaps on this issue.

ACabby said...

TfL are not looking after the interests of the public
They are looking after the interest of Verifone, TaxiWorld and CabVision
Who, through their own greed are losing business to izettle and PayPal

Tony Casey said...

The only organisation in favour of fixed terminals in the back of the cab is the LTDA.The five other orgs are on the same page against it.I use paypal and it works fine with payment made to you within 2 hours.Also as an owner of a new Mercedes do I want some cowboy from three colts lane cutting into my wiring loom that could invalidate my cabs warranty.NO THANK YOU

Mark said...

Th LTDA be idiot big time from advertising Verifone in Taxi
Of course they are going to support them over their membership.
Anyone still laying subs to this corrup organisation needs their limos felt

Anonymous said...

LTDA is a business letting the trade down they have got to cosy collecting subs and bragging about the million pounds of members money they are going to spend on a problem that they should have sorted years ago Too little too late

Anonymous said...

I think this is another smear campaign against the trade. Tfl have made a public anouncement of mandatory card acceptance before changing the law, what happens if the law cant be changed and tfl have to make a public u-turn announcement? You bet it will be detrimental to the industry!

Anonymous said...

Has any one checked withe the FSA if Helen Chaphamcan do this.
Also Can a supplier of the credit machines be imposed on us .



Editorial said...

Well to all those who have bothered to join an org, they are going to need the legal support which will be forthcoming over this matter, otherwise we will be screwed again.

As for the demo, it was a historical moment when every faction of the trade came together to protest.
What came out of the demo was a renewed fire in the hearts and bellies of previously demoralised, deflated drivers.

Too many drivers have given up without a fight, hoping others will fight the good fight for them and that's why we are knee deep in this bullshit from TfL and third party stakeholders.

But now, the UCG, RMT and even the LCDC are on this big time. TfL and the third party suppliers now know the are on very shaky ground.

We know as fact, TfL have released this story to the media, without first having the necessary regulations in place.

This could well blow up into a scandal which could further damage the Licensed Taxi trade.

I believe the orgs should now be calling for Helen Chapman's immediate removal, as she signs these releases.

Yes the trade should take cards that's sensible.

But for TfL to try to embed regulations siting only authorised third parties -who will be trapping drivers into contracts so they can cream their living off the backs of working drivers- is unacceptable.

The whole reason this is being pushed through has nothing to do with the interests of the public, its because it's the increase of CC payment take up by the trade, the large suppliers of CC equipment were/are losing market share to the likes of CabApp, PayPal and iZettle.

The fact that TfL have involved themselves in promoting the interests of third party suppliers is in itself scandalous, almost as scandalous as what has happened over the Garden Bridge where Deadring and another senior director of TfL have both been given highly paid jobs with the company building the bridge.

As Len Martin said earlier in this thread, this is a case TfL won't win.

TtT

Anonymous said...

Let's see how fast they try to change this law!?
I've decided to stop using credit cards in protest of tfl trying to make me! what's the bet? someone somewhere has a vested intrest!

Anonymous said...

WELL NO SURPRISE THE 3% WAS KICKED INTO TOUCH, WITH A 20P FLAG DROP ON TAKING £100 IN A DAY IN CC. IT WILL TAKE YOU 49 JOBS TO RECOUPE YOUR 10%, AT THE MOMENT I AM DOING APPROX 12 JOBS A DAY. ALSO WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SWIPE THE CARD BEFORE THE JOURNEY STARTS, THIS WILL NULIFY THE CC SCAMS OF INSUFFICIANT FUNDS, AND TFL DIRECTIVES ARE THAT ON THE TUBE AND BUSES YOU MUST PAY BEFORE THE JOURNEY STARTS, SO WHY SHOULD WE BE DIFFERENT